John FLACK

Abt 1774 - 1836  (62 years)

• Name	John FLACK
  Birth	Abt 1774	Ireland or North Carolina, USA
  Gender	Male
  Death	22 Feb 1836	Galena, Jo Daviess County, Illinois, USA
  Person ID	I119702	Tree656DJ
  Last Modified	14 Aug 2013

  
  

  Father	Michael * FLACK,   b. Bef 1755, Possibly Ireland d. Aft 1820 (Age > 67 years)
  Family ID	F37341	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Sarah MILLIGAN,   b. Abt 1774, Iredell County, North Carolina, USA d. Bef 1836, Galena, Jo Daviess County, Illinois, USA (Age < 61 years)
  Marriage	Bef 1796	North Carolina, USA
  Notes	Family Data Collection - Marriages Name: John Flack Spouse: Sarah Milligan State: NC Source: Ancestry.com - 21 Dec 2010
  Children	1. Sarah 'Sally' FLACK,   b. 31 Jul 1793, North Carolina, USA d. 1860, Daviess County, Missouri, USA (Age 66 years)   2. Elizabeth FLACK,   b. 13 May 1796, North Carolina, USA d. 4 Mar 1874, Steeleville, Randolph, Illinois, USA (Age 77 years)   3. Abner FLACK,   b. 22 Oct 1797, North Carolina, USA d. 12 Apr 1842, Effingham, Illinois, USA (Age 44 years)   4. James D FLACK,   b. 17 Jul 1799, North Carolina, USA d. 25 Feb 1882, Rush Township, Jo Daviess County, Illinois, USA (Age 82 years)   5. John B FLACK,   b. 20 Apr 1803, Perry County, Illinois, USA d. 26 Oct 1842, Jo Daviess County, Illinois, USA (Age 39 years)   6. Milton FLACK,   b. 30 Aug 1805, Pinkneyville, Perry County, Illinois, USA d. 2 Apr 1842, Effingham, Effingham, Illinois, USA (Age 36 years)   7. George Washington FLACK,   b. 25 Dec 1811, Perry County, Illinois, USA d. 2 Dec 1888, Wesley, Kossuth County, Iowa, USA (Age 76 years)
  Family ID	F36428	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	1 Mar 2024

  
  

• Notes

  NOTES: For quite some time I had John married to Sarah Milligan as the son of John Flack and Mary McMurry, but there was always something 'not quite right' about the linkage. Virtually every record you see has John born in 1774 to John Sr (1751-1792 ) and his mother is EITHER Jane Porter (John Sr's 1st wife) or Mary McMurry (John Sr's 2nd wife). But from the estate settlement documents of John Sr. (where it names th e 4 sons of his two marriages) it is quite apparent that Johns mother has to be Mary McMurry. The problem that causes though, is that to be a son of 2nd wife Mary McMurry, John would have to be born AFTER abt 1780 as the last person born by the 1st married to Jane Porter was son George Flack (b.10 Nov 1778). If you accept this point and change John's birth date to abt.1781 you then find that Johns 1st few children were born too early to be realistic eg Elizabeth (born 1796 - when he was 15?) and Abner (born 1797 when he was 16?) - HIGHLY unlikely re ally!! I have just been re-reading some reference material and I am now convinced that John Flack (with Sarah Milligan) IS NOT the son of John Flack / Mary McMurry but is the son of Michael Flack (of Iredell County) who can be see in Iredell County i n at least the 1800/1810/1820 Census - see book extract below. ~ J Timothy Cole writes - "........ But I cannot resist noting that my examination ( *while examining the settlement of the Estate of John Flack {1751-1792} *) of the records of the second generation has led me to an important correction to Flack Genealogy. It has been the contention of a number of researchers (perhaps traceable to Dr Robertson) that John Flack Jr, the son of John Flack by his second wife Mary, left Rutherford and settled in Perry County ca. 1800. I can say in near certainty that J ohn Flack of Perry County, Illinois, was not the son of John Flack of Rutherford. The John Flack that went to Illinois from Iredell County was the son of Michael Flack. John and Michael Flack were among the early settlers of the Stony Point area, located near the present day Alexander County-Iredell County line, and where they owned tracts adjacent to a Fergus Milligan. The wife of John Flack was Sarah Milligan . The parentage of John Flack is established by a land claim made by him in 1792. In that year he entered land in Iredell County; however the land had still not been surveyed some seven years later and in December 1799, he assigned the claim to hi s father. On the back of a warrant for this survey can be found the following: {{ I John Flack do by these present assign over to my father Michael Flack all my title and claim to the within warrant for the value received. Witness my hand and seal the 5th of December 1799 - John Flack seal / Test Wm. Sharp.}} ...... " ~ Source - The Forest City Lynching of 1900 - by J Timothy Cole, published 2003 Jim Flack - 12 Jan 2011 NOTES: Dr. Robertson writes in his book: "They (I assume John and Sarah) moved to Perry County, IL. They left there and came to Galena in 1830 (Had a disagreement with his brother-in-law, Fergus Milligan). They had 7 children. 1. Elizabeth born 13 May 1796 NC. Married Archibald Steele 24 Oct 1813. d Mar 1874. 2. Abner born 1797 NC. Married Brown. d 12 April 1842 3. James D. b 17 July 1799 NC. Married Susan Strock 1832. James d 25 Feb 1882 Susan d 1 Mar 1883 buried in Raymond Bleakley farm. 4. John B. d 21 Oct 1842 in Galena Pauline d 8 Nov 1848 5. Milton 6. George Washington 7. Sarah, died young. " Source: Pioneer families of Randolph and Perry Counties, Illinois - Book on Ancestry.com ~ IN MY OPINION - Dr Robertson gets the above correct - but note that:- (1) He never says who he thinks Johns mother was (Jane Porter or Mary McMurray) (2) The Milligan family (see the early census records) lived in Iredell County too (not Rutherford) (3) I believe Dr Roberstsons only mistake was latching onto the wrong Flack (John Sr instead of Michael) as John's father. NOTES: In the book "Flack Family Heritage" written in 1975 by Ivarea Flack, she writes that John Flack Jr ( see below) was a child of John Flack Sr and Mary McMurray:- John Flack Jr. Born 1781 Died 1842 He went to Devisee County, IL and married Penina Young. John was the second white settler in Perry County, IL. They had 4 children:- (1) James D. Flack married Susan Davis (2) Elizabeth Flack married Archibald Steele (3) John Flack, III married Sarah Milligan (4) George Andrew Flack married Matilda Daniels Above extract copied to me by Dianne Nanney -1 Aug 2009. ~ IN MY OPINION - Ivarea Flack gets a number of the names right - but mixes a lot of them up in the wrong order. (a) Ivarea did conclude the same birth date as me for John Jr (1781 not 1774) (b) 'A' John Flack did marry a 'Penina' - but it turns out to be John Jr's son who married Penina(h) (Pauline) Hickman - not John. (c) John Flack (and Sarah Milligan) were the parents of John (and Peninah) not the other way round as Ivarea has it. (d) James D Flack (and Susan) was John 's (peninah's) brother (not his father (e) George I still have to work out ! My Conclusion on Ivarea's material on this section of her research is therefore, that it is generally unreliable as she currently has it set out - and it needs a lot of 'interpretation' to seperate the fact from the fiction. Jim Flack - 13 Jan 2011 BIOGRAPHY: First settlers of Pinckneyville Precinct First settlers: If we are to receive the tradition from father to son, Pinckneyville precinct was the first settled portion of the county. In 1799, John Flack came with his family and settled in Four Mile Prairie. When he settled there, he foun d only one other white family living in the county and their name was Cox. From whence and when Cox came to our county, or what became of him after having clothed himself with the honor of being the first settler of our county we know not. We on ly know from our traditions that Flack found Cox here in 1799, and that Cox disappeared as far as the history of our county is concerned. The original John Flack left a son John, who was born in 1803, and whom our first settlers found living in Four Mile Prairie when they first came to the precinct. Source: Ancestry.com Tree of CONMCK - 21 Dec 2010 BIRTH: Census Data for children living past 1870 census, for JOHN's possible birthplace.:- Elizabeth Flack Steele - 1870 census shows Parents as - F=Foreign, M=Foreign. James Flack - 1870 census shows nothing. - 1880 census shows F=Ireland, M=Ireland George Flack - 1870 census shows nothing - 1880 census shows F=Ireland, M=Ireland Jim Flack - 18 Apr 2013 BIRTH: Family Data Collection - Births Name: John Flack Father: John Flack (* I believe incorrect. *) Birth Date: 1774 County: Rutherford (* I believe incorrect. *) State: NC Country: USA Source: Ancestry.com - 21 Dec 2010 (In later census - both James Flack and George Washington Flack give the place of birth of both their parents as IRELAND ) DEATH: Family Data Collection - Deaths Name: John Flack Death Date: 22 Feb 1836 City: Galena County: Jo Davies State: IL Country: USA Source: Ancestry.com - 21 Dec 2010 CENSUS: 1800 US Federal Census - North Carolina, Iredell, Salisbury. *[1800]* Head: John Flack MALE Under 10 (1791-1800) = 2 (Abner and James) 45 and Over (bef 1755) = 1 (John) (Census Tick in wrong column?) FEMALE Under 10 (1791-1800) = 2 (Sarah and Elizabeth) 26 to 44 (1756-1774) = 1 (* Father Michael Flack next entry *) CENSUS: 1820 US Federal Census - Illinois, Jackson, Prairie. *[7 Aug 1820]* Head: John Flack MALE Under 10 = 1 10 thru 15 = 1 16 thru 18 = 1 16 thru 25 = 2 26 thru 44 = 1 45 and over = 2 FEMALES 10 thru 15 = 1 16 thru 25 = 1 45 and over = 1 CENSUS: 1830 US Federal Census - Illinois, Jo Daviess, Page 314. *[1830]* Head: John Flack MALE 5 thru 9 = 1 15 thru 19 = 1 20 thru 29 = 4 30 thru 39 = 1 50 thru 59 = 1 FEMALES 5 thru 9 = 1 10 thru 14 = 1 15 thru 19 = 1 20 thru 29 = 1 50 thru 59 = 1 SEARCHES: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=cbourdon&id=I288 - abt 2006 TREE: Tree656J - created 5 Aug 2007 Reloaded 12 Jan 2011